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Troubleshooting a X Model Western Handset [message #46] Wed, 26 March 2014 12:21 Go to next message
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Brian writes today:

Ian,

The TrapLoader CS270 we purchased is working great! Thanks again...

Question on the western 1524 though...have you seen these with the Rhodeside interrupter [electronic] set up on them? All of mine have these, and sometimes the control solenoid will chatter when coming off the interrupted circuit. They all do it sometimes.

Thanks for keeping these old units out there....Brian W in MI

Re: Troubleshooting a X Model Western Handset [message #47 is a reply to message #46] Wed, 26 March 2014 12:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Brian,

Yes, I've seen X traps with the electronic interrupter from Jim Printz @ Rhodeside.

I don't think this has anything to do with the interrupter but rather the Lower Control Solenoid, X73 Operating control finger and the X64 Pawl not engaging into the X62 Gear.

The Control Solenoid Mounting Screws must be tight. If loose X128B Solenoid will move and not pull X73 far enough to fully engage X64 Pawl inside the main case into the X62 Ring Fear Teeth. Usually the X73 needs to be set (bent) to fully engage the X64 Pawl. This is the cause of the chatter.

Here's the procedure...

Lay the trap on Left Side (oil plugs side). Move solenoid armature rearwards (towards motor) pulling X73 lever back to engage X64 pawl into X62, Rock X33 Angle Changing Disc anticlockwise (from top) to make sure X64 pawl fully seats into X62 teeth (X33 Disc cannot be turned further anticlockwise)

1 - Check that armature fully seats

2 - If fully seated check that the X73 lever can be moved further back than pulled by X128B Armature. It should move no more than 1mm, if any. If it does move more than 1mm. then the X73 needs to be bent towards front of trap (away from motor). If 128B armature does not fully seat rearwards it will chatter while trap is cocking. If this only happens intermittently it will do no harm. If excessive X73 needs to be straightened (bent towards the motor XU129).
Re: Troubleshooting a X Model Western Handset [message #48 is a reply to message #46] Sat, 29 March 2014 07:51 Go to previous message
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Jim writes:

The chattering situation is when the interrupter energizes the X128B control solenoid and the X64 Pawl does not drop all of the way into the tooth on the X62 Ratchet. This does not cause any problem except noise. The chattering is the X128B Solenoid armature vibrating. When the X64 Pawl drops into the bottom of the tooth on the X62 ratchet it goes "click".

The X73 Finger needs to be adjusted so the X64 Pawl is almost "bottomed" out into the tooth on the X62 ratchet.

1) The trap needs to be turned on its side(X135 Snubber- down)

2) Remove the X32 Adj. screw and slide X27 and X29 out of the way

3) Grab the X33 Disc with your right hand and take your left index finger and push the X128 Solenoid armature towards to rear of the trap.
DO NOT PUSH ON THE X73 Finger. Pushing on the X73 Finger allows you to move the X64 Pawl further into the teeth on the X62 Ratchet then the
X128B Solenoid will move it.

4) While holding the solenoid armature all of the way "In", try to rotate the X33 disc. You want very little rotation of the X33 disc.

5) If the disc rotates back and forth(up or down, however you look at it) a lot, you need to bend the X73 finger towards the front of the trap.
If it does not move at all, the X128B solenoid will chatter or buzz just about every time the trap is cocked and you need to bend the X73 finger
towards the rear of the trap.

6) If you do not have a X73 bending tool(piece of steel with a slot and tee handle) you can use 2 crescent wrenches

7) If you do not adjust the X73 to the X64 & X62, the X64 Pawl will start to wear off the tips of the teeth on the X62. This will happen with: no
interrupter, a Winchester Western gear interrupter, or an electrical interrupter.
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